U.S. Government prior knowledge of emergency?

[eldiablo]

http://www.skolnicksreport.com/pkem.html

I suggest reading some of the other articles on the site as well. This goes way back.

[Chris Wolfe]

Originally posted by eldiablo
http://www.skolnicksreport.com/pkem.html

I suggest reading some of the other articles on the site as well. This goes way back.
IMHO one must be careful where conspiracy theorists are concerned. Items 4 and 5 in this article discount its validity as, by all accounts, guns were not used in these hijackings.

[eldiablo]

Originally posted by Chris Wolfe

IMHO one must be careful where conspiracy theorists are concerned. Items 4 and 5 in this article discount its validity as, by all accounts, guns were not used in these hijackings.

not to our knowledge.

it also states that was the plan, not that they were successful in planting the guns, so the theory is very short of being invalidated. also, this is not about consipiracy, so much as corruption. i'm not saying that this is all true, and i know it is very hard to consider your own government capable of such things, but try to keep an open mind, and don't believe for a second that there is truly "freedom of the press".

[LBaker]

The bias is very evident by the way this person refers to our President as "resident" and "occupant". It's total hogwash!

[eldiablo]

Originally posted by LBaker
The bias is very evident by the way this person refers to our President as "resident" and "occupant". It's total hogwash!

no, no... i believe that is a reference to him during clinton's "lame duck" period.

...to abandon the recount even ahead of the U.S. Supreme Court ruling installing George W. Bush as the "resident" and "occupant" of the White House."

as to it being hogwash, that's debateable, but i didn't really post it here to debate, just as an alternative point of view, especially as an alternative to what is fed to americans on television every day.

as to bias, if you read some of the other content on the site, you'll notice that the author of the material is quite non-partisan.

[LBaker]

This is the quote I was speaking about
"The financial and other provisions for them and their families were arranged by the Elder Bush, and then quietly continued by Bill Clinton as President, and perpetuated by George W. Bush as White House "resident" and "occupant". "

I'm not one much for conspiracy theories. As far as the news services I take what they say with a grain of salt ;)

[wbierman]

as to it being hogwash, that's debateable, but i didn't really post it here to debate, just as an alternative point of view, especially as an alternative to what is fed to americans on television every day.

Thanks for this alternative. But alas, you and this alternative view are so small and insignificant that you don't count compared to the will of the American people. An absolutely majority believe otherwise.

But please knock yourself out...its a free country.

[eldiablo]

Originally posted by wbierman


Thanks for this alternative. But alas, you and this alternative view are so small and insignificant that you don't count compared to the will of the American people. An absolutely majority believe otherwise.

But please knock yourself out...its a free country.

unfortunately, an absolute majority of the american people are ignorant of what really goes on "behind the scenes". being a vietnam veteran, i'm sure you know what i mean. :rolleyes: if you want to believe everything that is fed to you by anyone in the government, press, etc., knock yourself out, it's a free country.

and by the way, i am one of those "american people" (all my life), in case you were wondering. just because i may have my doubts about the true motives and intentions of certain politicians, that in no way tarnishes my "patriotism".

[Virus]

Funny article. I hope nobody takes it seriously.

[eldiablo]

Originally posted by Virus
Funny article. I hope nobody takes it seriously.

funny, federal judges, presidents, and cia representatives have taken him quite seriously... sometimes to prison.

In 1973, Mr. Skolnick wrote a book, "The Secret History of Airplane Sabotage", a heavily documented book dealing, among other things, with the sabotaged plane crash December, 1972, in Chicago, one month after Nixon was re-elected President. Twelve Watergate figures died when the United Air Lines plane pancaked just short of Midway airport. Dead in the crash zone were Mrs. E. Howard Hunt, wife of the Watergate burglar and others linked to the Watergate Affair. She had in her possession over 2 million dollars in valuables obtained by blackmailing Nixon on his role in the 1963 political assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Skolnick's group "liberated" the entire unpublicized file of the National Transportation Safety Board, some 1300 pages of documented reports and pictures showing sabotage. Skolnick brought a suit against the NTSB contending sabotage cover-up. The NTSB re-opened their public hearings on the crash but continued to contend it was caused by "pilot error". Skolnick who was the star-witness at the re-opened hearings demanded that the NTSB panel disqualify themselves since most were financially tied to the airlines industry and that Rockefellers, owners of all three News Networks, and major owner of United Air Lines, wanted the matter censored. The NTSB panel refused to disqualify themselves and entered a whitewash report,condemning Skolnick and his associates. Thereafter, Rockefellers' lawyers harassed the publisher so that Skolnick's book was stopped in the printing cycle and no copies are now available.

More highlights of the work of the Citizen's Committee to Clean Up the Courts. Their work in 1969, touched off the biggest judicial bribery scandal in U.S. history,the collapse of Illinois' highest court, the Illinois Supreme Court. As the head of his group, Skolnick directly accused the high court judges of bribery involving a banker who owned a bank right across the street from the high court's Chicago offices. Facing jail and on appeal to their court, the banker, the former Illinois Director of the Department of Revenue, Theodore J.Isaacs, won his criminal appeal by bribing most of the high court judges with stock in his nearby bank. Outraged by Skolnick's direct confrontation with them, the high court judges demanded that Skolnick disclose to the high court judges how he and his associates went about investigating the high court. When Skolnick refused to disclose, the high court judges had Skolnick, a paraplegic invalid in a wheelchair, hauled off to prison for "contempt of court". The imprisoning of Skolnick touched off a public commotion and the chief justice and an associate justice of the high court resigned, and a third accused high court judge suddenly died in the ruckus and Skolnick was vindicated. Caught up in a further mess involving the same bank was the former Illinois Governor by 1969 he was a federal appeals Judge in Chicago. Skolnick accused that judge, Otto Kerner,jr., of bribery as well. Kerner held press conferences and on all the local media called Skolnick a "liar". Despite his denials, Federal Appeals Judge Kerner was prosecuted and sent to prison, the highest level sitting federal judge sent to prison in U.S. history. Also imprisoned was Kerner's crony, former chief state tax collector Isaacs. Kerner died an ex-convict.

The work of Skolnick and his group touched off a series of bribery scandals by which from 1983 to 1993, 20 local judges and forty lawyers were sent to jail for bribery. Including: the Chief Judge of the Traffic court who said Skolnick with his accusations of bribery was "imagining" things. That Chief Judge was sent to prison for bribery and died an ex-convict.

In 1991, one sizeable conservative paper was the only one that dared run the story how Skolnick and his associates were the only journalists to attend a federal appeals court hearing in Chicago in a case involving suppressed bank records of the Chicago branch of Italy's largest bank,Banca Nazionale Delavoro, owned in part by the Vatican. The suppressed records, ordered so by state and federal regulators involved the secret private joint business partner of Iraqi strongman Saddam Hussein. After the hearing, in the back of the Federal Appeals Court, Skolnick interviewed two hearing participants who admitted to Skolnick that the suppressed bank records involved Saddam Hussein's private business partner, George Herbert Walker Bush, the then U.S. President. Sources had earlier informed Skolnick of that, and Skolnick, to be careful, asked the same question about that THREE times and each time, the answer was the same: Bush was the private business partner of Saddam Hussein in billions of dollars of oil-kickbacks paid to Saddam Hussein by the weak sheikdoms in the Persian Gulf. Skolnick is one of the only ones to have the more or less complete record on appeals in the case including the Affidavit of the CIA General Counsel, that revealing these matters would violate national security. The hearing participants said that revealing all this would cause a run on the banks worldwide and for that reason had to be suppressed.

[Bruce]

Let's see if I understand this logic.

Some of the people who opposed this guy were corrupt and some of them have been convicted so nothing they say can be relied on.

There are 479(?) people, from dozens of different organizations who are all out to get this guy -- and since I'm probably going to root for the underdog, whatever he says must be the truth.

And, of course, there are lots more reasons proving this guy is right, but we can't find them out because of national security or they've been suppressed because that same 479 people don't want his book published.

None of this information has anything in it that either proves or disproves his perspective, nor does it change whether I choose to agree or disagree with his perspective.

[viperdog]

Actually I remember this former Illinois Governer and later Judge described above in this thread ( I live next door in Iowa). He was never convicted of bribery or even charged with that. He was convicted of tax evasion on stock he had purchased from a local race track owner ( the stock was in the race track). It was a bit of a shady deal as he got the stock for something like 5 cents per every dollar the stock was worth at the time. It should also be noted that he died in 1976.

As to this guys other ravings well I think he must sleep with the nightlight on because he sees things in all the shadows of his room and/or his own mind..

Geez..everyone knows that those so called Iranian officers are really aliens from the Xyellautrium Cluster sent here to work on the next generation of interstellar transports we need to build in order to travel to them with 100,000 head of sheep that they need for some undisclosed reason..opps maybe I've said to much...I almost gave away the connection that Elvis had to Richard Nixon as the conduit for the late Howard Hughes to explain the singularity drive, which was lost in the crash of the test transport in Roswell.

Oh course all that stuff about getting your book published is true!! I'm having exactly the same problem and my book isn't avavilable for anyone to read either.

[eldiablo]

and there's never been corruption in american politics... :rolleyes:

oh well, i won't post anything "anti-government" anymore.

[viperdog]

OK maybe now I've gone off the deep end...

I think it's safe to say that "Politics" be it "American Politics" or not, is, has been, and will be a furtile place for corruption. That corruption takes many forms from the subtle compromise to get something you want by giving up something you belive in ..to the gross pay me now and I'll vote for it. Are there criminals in the government? Heck Yes..just like there are in business, sports, religion, etc.

As a member of the military here in the US I hope you post your own views and point out those that you believe in. I've fought hard all my life for you to do so, don't let me down now! In that same spirit I trust that I can post me views also.

Take heart that you posted a link above and I read it! I then did a little research of my own ( aided by some of my own memories), and posted back..some serious, and some poking a bit of fun.

So you go ahead and work on loading up the north side of the scale and I'll work on loading the south end, together we should reach a good balance. In the end isn't that what we both want??

Good luck my friend (honestly I mean that!):cool:

[Bruce]

Originally posted by eldiablo
and there's never been corruption in american politics... :rolleyes:

oh well, i won't post anything "anti-government" anymore.

Hey, this is an open discussion. Just because everybody doesn't immediately say Oh, your absolutely right . . . I never though of it that way doesn't mean that you shouldn't air some opinions. Sometimes the unpopular ones provoke the most thought.

[eldiablo]

Originally posted by Bruce


Hey, this is an open discussion. Just because everybody doesn't immediately say Oh, your absolutely right . . . I never though of it that way doesn't mean that you shouldn't air some opinions. Sometimes the unpopular ones provoke the most thought.

no, i didn't expect everyone to immediately accept much of it at all, but i guess i had hoped that not everyone would immediately imply that he was a crackpot when he's been doing this for over 30 years and there is significant factual results indicating that he is for real, even if maybe not all of his theories are correct.

[eldiablo]

Originally posted by viperdog
OK maybe now I've gone off the deep end...

I think it's safe to say that "Politics" be it "American Politics" or not, is, has been, and will be a furtile place for corruption. That corruption takes many forms from the subtle compromise to get something you want by giving up something you belive in ..to the gross pay me now and I'll vote for it. Are there criminals in the government? Heck Yes..just like there are in business, sports, religion, etc.

As a member of the military here in the US I hope you post your own views and point out those that you believe in. I've fought hard all my life for you to do so, don't let me down now! In that same spirit I trust that I can post me views also.

Take heart that you posted a link above and I read it! I then did a little research of my own ( aided by some of my own memories), and posted back..some serious, and some poking a bit of fun.

So you go ahead and work on loading up the north side of the scale and I'll work on loading the south end, together we should reach a good balance. In the end isn't that what we both want??

Good luck my friend (honestly I mean that!):cool:

thanks for clearing that up a bit. i did take a little offense when you seemed to suggest that he is some kind of lunatic when there is quite a bit of factual evidence that much of his work has been legitimate and some of his theories have proven (or are likely, or in some cases even just possible) to have been true, even if not all of them are. btw, i was in the u.s. military for seven and a half years, including two vacations in the desert, so i think i've earned my own right to voice my opinion. :) i just don't want people to immediately dismiss this kind of stuff. history has proven that this kind of stuff happens, and with the kind of power some of these people have, it is certainly not outside the realm of possibility that they are getting away with corruption much more often than they are getting caught. a government that goes unquestioned can become quite ugly. remember, "When governments fear the people there is liberty. When people fear the government there is tyranny." -- Thomas Jefferson