Got RH 7.1 in mail today

[Medic193]

Well I'm installing RedHat 7.1 as I type this. So far it's pretty cool. When I had the choice of KDE or Gnome I saw that it would take up over a gig of space. I was shocked. I just assumed it wouldn't take that much space. My 4.3 gig I was going to use I couldn't get to work. Bad file system from a previous linux install. Crap...error message. How much swap space do I need for a 7.1 install?


Edit: I'm using a 1.4 gig HD. Is this suffecient?

[Medic193]

OK everyone here is where I stand. I was able to get 7.1 installed. That's amazing in itself. I then got my cd rom working. Even more amazing. However I'm unable to get the computer on the network. I saw an icon for network and when I clicked it, it said "couldn't execute /usr/bin/kdesu "/sbin/netconf Please install the linuxconf package" . I then saw an icon for linuxconf and it gave me this: "couldn't execute /usr/bin/kdesu "/sbin/linuxconf " I'm lost and have no idea where to go to solve this. My partitioning looked like this:


/boot 20 M
/ 1270 M
/swap 256 M


I hope that's correct. If I needed something else LMK, also is there a way to add a / with out re installing? As you can see it's a small HD so I hope I have enough room. Also I did an install for a server and no partitioning (I think) This is all that's on the drive - no windows that is. Down with Bill! :D :D Anything else you need to know?

On a side note, I really like linux!!:)

[Yo_Mama]

Try opening a terminal window and manually changing directories to /sbin/linuxconf. Sounds like it just can't find the excutable (or config file). I had the same type of problem with the Mandrake Samba setup program looking for samba.conf in /etc/samba when it was actually just in /etc.

[siggy]

Medic193, I got my RH 7.1 in the mail today too. (small world) However I am still putting together the machine it is going to run on. So I am glad that you are going thru the growing pains first. I hope that you are taking good notes on "gottcha's" and will share with me when I take the plunge. I will give you unlimited Hugs in return. Sound like a plan?

[phil]

Medic, as far as I am aware Linuxconf isn't istalled by default which is unusual as it normally is with RH. What you need to do is put in your RH CD and look for the Linuxconf file (as root). It should end with a .RPM and should also be in a folder named RPM. It could be on eother CD. Now click on it and it should install.

[Medic193]

OK going to try all the ideas. I'll let you know if I get it working.

Siggy - I'll remember as much as I can and give you as much info as possible. it is kind of fun going around an OS that you know nothing about. It brings back memories of 3.1 the first time.

[Medic193]

Originally posted by siggy
I remember 3.1 I sure liked that better than the newer ones. I have an old 386 that I think I am going to bring back from the graveyard and see if I can get Linux on that. Wish me luck.

Wow! I don't think I could deal with a 386. I have problems when I use my Pentium 200. I am VERY impatient. :D

[Medic193]

Yo_Mama - I went to the terminal window to try your idea but had no idea what to do when I got there.

Phil - I went to /root and then found a folder that was also named root. It has a lock on it. When I hit it, it says "You do not have enough permissions to read file:/root" I then went to file manager super user mode. A window opened and says I need root privileges. Please enter root password. I entered the root password that I created during the install but it doesn't work. Yes I am 100% sure it was the correct password. Above where you type in the password it says "Command, then the name konqueror.

Oh it sure is fun learning new things.:rolleyes:

[dnar]

Originally posted by Medic193
Yo_Mama - I went to the terminal window to try your idea but had no idea what to do when I got there.



Phil - I went to /root and then found a folder that was also named root. It has a lock on it. When I hit it, it says "You do not have enough permissions to read file:/root" I then went to file manager super user mode. A window opened and says I need root privileges. Please enter root password. I entered the root password that I created during the install but it doesn't work. Yes I am 100% sure it was the correct password. Above where you type in the password it says "Command, then the name konqueror.



Oh it sure is fun learning new things.:rolleyes:
Linux maintains a database of ALL files on your system, to search the database, type:
locate linuxconf

when the results are too much, pipe it through more:
locate linuxconf | more

You will need 2 packages installed for linux conf:
linuxconf
gnome-linuxconf

To check if it's installed, you can also query the RPM package manager:
rpm -q linuxconf
and
rpm -q gnome-linuxconf

[Medic193]

Yesterday I did a search for linuxconf, but when i clicked the files it found nothing happened. I'll try it again in a few minutes.

Also, if you can scroll back to the top dnar and look at my setup. Is it ok or do I need a bigger HD. I have a larger HD that I'm trying to get working. If I do what is the best way to set it up. This comp is strictly for learning Linux and running G@H. No games or anything else. I saw mention of /usr etc, do I need those included or just /, /boot and /swap?

[MechCD]

Well, 1.4gb is enough to do JUST genome and maybe a few small apps. I recommend 4gb or more.

For linuxconf, I tried to get it running, and i did, buts its much easier to do the stuff manually

For mounting drives, /etc/fcstab (check my spelling)
for networking, either Gnomes network app or /etc/hosts

As for adding more users, I don't know how, but I'm the only one that uses my box so i have it setup as root and mechcd for logins and i don't think i'll ever need to add another user.

To install linuxonf (if you really want it) its on CD 2 in the RPMs directory. Right click on it in filemanager or whatever KDE has. Click install RPM on the popup.

[Medic193]

I'm in the process of trying to get my 4.5 gig HD working. It had a bad linux setup on it now npothing recognizes it. Kind of weird never seen this before. It started after I was fdisking it through Linux. I gotten it to the point that when I boot up on it it scrolls a bunch of 1's and 0's. At least that's better than where I was before. I'm able to do a low level format on it now. Hopefully this will fix it. Once I get it fixed I'll re-install linux onto that drive with gnome and kde. Currently I only had kde installed. I did a search for linuxconf and it brought up 3 read only files. I'll try a couple more things and get back to you all. Thanks again for all the help everyone.

[dnar]

medic - for what youre doing, just use the following partitions:



/boot = 20Mb

swap = 256Mb

/ = the rest



Adding users:



man adduser



(Thats standard NG talk)! http://members.iinet.net.au/~dnar/images/icons/penguin.gif

[MechCD]

Ok,

/usr/ is like C:\Program Files\
/tmp/ is teemporary sapce, like c:\windows\temp\
/ is like c:\windows
/var is almost like another c:\windows\temp\ but its more like a storage space for variables (like email, logfiles)
swap space is exactly like windows virtual memory. Its recommended to have 2x the amount of RAM you have for swap unless you are low on space or have more than 256mb. Ihave 256mb RAM and only a 64mb swap. I haven't used swap space yet, but I get about 10mb away from using it on some occasions.

RedHat needs 550mb for /
the size of /usr depends on what your installing. X, gnome, and most of your needed "extras" are in /usr

/tmp can be small and so can /var if all your doing is genome@home.

[MechCD]

Originally posted by dnar
medic - for what youre doing, just use the following partitions:


/boot = 20Mb

swap = 256Mb

/ = the rest



Adding users:



man adduser



(Thats standard NG talk)! http://members.iinet.net.au/~dnar/images/icons/penguin.gif

Der, you all posted this while I was posting mine. heheheh, what i said for sapce was kinda for optimal configurability. Ya don't need configurability for genome at home. Do you even need X windows installed for it?

[dnar]

Originally posted by MechCD


Ok,







/usr/ is like C:\Program Files\



/tmp/ is teemporary sapce, like c:\windows\temp\



/ is like c:\windows



/var is almost like another c:\windows\temp\ but its more like a storage space for variables (like email, logfiles)



swap space is exactly like windows virtual memory.





Thats like saying:





Thunderbird is like vacuum tube


SCSI is like punch card


Matrox is like teletype


TCP/IP is like morse code


Mouse is like chisel





Geeze.....http://members.iinet.net.au/~dnar/images/icons/3dbiggrin3.gif

[Medic193]

I don't even know what x windows is.:D

[siggy]

The powerful framework for working with graphical applications in Linux is referred to as the X window system (or simply X). X handles the functions of opening X-based GUI application and displaying them on an X server process (the process that manages your screen, mouse, and keyboard)

[Medic193]

Originally posted by siggy
The powerful framework for working with graphical applications in Linux is referred to as the X window system (or simply X). X handles the functions of opening X-based GUI application and displaying them on an X server process (the process that manages your screen, mouse, and keyboard)


ahhh gotcha! thanks:)

[dnar]

Siggy is a qucik learner.....

[Yo_Mama]

Sweet, I did know this. But then, I've found myself saying that a lot lately for some reason. Oh yeah - because I installed Linux! ;)

Originally posted by dnar

Linux maintains a database of ALL files on your system, to search the database, type:
locate linuxconf

To check if it's installed, you can also query the RPM package manager:
rpm -q linuxconf
and
rpm -q gnome-linuxconf

[MechCD]

Originally posted by dnar





Thats like saying:





Thunderbird is like vacuum tube


SCSI is like punch card


Matrox is like teletype


TCP/IP is like morse code


Mouse is like chisel





Geeze.....http://members.iinet.net.au/~dnar/images/icons/3dbiggrin3.gif

But if ya were teachin' linux and puters to a person that wasn't up to date in technology tcp would kinda be like morse code :), and matrox, and a tbird would be like 1 million very very small vacuum tubes :):)

[MaTriX]

Originally posted by siggy
I'm trying. But boy this book is thick.

What book is it ??? I got to get started on Linux (I know... Shame on me... I promise I'll do it soon...) and I'll need to buy a big book too :)

[dnar]

Originally posted by MechCD

a tbird would be like 1 million very very small vacuum tubes :):)

And about as hot!

:D

[Medic193]

Originally posted by MaTriX


What book is it ??? I got to get started on Linux (I know... Shame on me... I promise I'll do it soon...) and I'll need to buy a big book too :)

I'm going to Barnes & Noble today to buy my Linux book. Can't wait to get reading.:)

[MechCD]

Wow! Linux books? All I ever did was read the entire redhat manual on the CD :) Could someone tell me the extra goodies in the books? Or maybe dnar will tell me I'm better off not readin' em (I know enough, don't wanna spend money)

[dnar]

Originally posted by MechCD

Wow! Linux books? All I ever did was read the entire redhat manual on the CD :) Could someone tell me the extra goodies in the books? Or maybe dnar will tell me I'm better off not readin' em (I know enough, don't wanna spend money)

A good (free) starting point is The Linux Documentation Project (www.linuxdoc.org). I have this site mirrored on my server, and around 5000 pages of it printed out....

[MaTriX]

Originally posted by MechCD
Wow! Linux books? All I ever did was read the entire redhat manual on the CD :) Could someone tell me the extra goodies in the books? Or maybe dnar will tell me I'm better off not readin' em (I know enough, don't wanna spend money)

That could be an idea too, I do most of my reading on the laptop when traveling. I used to hate online doc when it first started (I was used to receive my 30 pounds of paper with most of the software) but now I enjoy having 300 pounds of book on my laptop.

So all I need then is to go out and buy it (I already have a copy of "Turbo Linux" that got included free with some other stuff, is this any good ?)... Is there any version that contain a better documentation ?

[siggy]

Originally posted by MaTriX


What book is it ??? I got to get started on Linux (I know... Shame on me... I promise I'll do it soon...) and I'll need to buy a big book too :)

It is called the Bible for RH7.1. so far so good. But I think I need to install the software before I can go any farther in the book. The book is really hands on, so just reading it is not much fun.

[Medic193]

Originally posted by siggy


It is called the Bible for RH7.1. so far so good. But I think I need to istall the software before I can go any farther in the book. The book is really hands on, so just reading it is not much fun.

That's the book that I just bought. $50 ouch! I purchased the software online then I buy a book that has 7.1 included. That didn't make much sense.:rolleyes:

[siggy]

So far I am very impressed with the book. But being a linux newbie I have nothing to base it on. It is well written though. I also went online to the website and I can download chapter 24 for free. Plus any updates.

[MaTriX]

Originally posted by Medic193


That's the book that I just bought. $50 ouch! I purchased the software online then I buy a book that has 7.1 included. That didn't make much sense.:rolleyes:

Great, that's what I'll get then... The included version, is it a full one or just some kind of demo ?

[MaTriX]

Originally posted by siggy
So far I am very impressed with the book. But being a linux newbie I have nothing to base it on. It is well written though. I also when online the website and I can download chapter 24 for free. Plus any updates.

Thanks for the info... There's gonna be another Linux newbie around soon... I'll go downdown early next week and make a stop at the book store :)

[Medic193]

Originally posted by MaTriX


Great, that's what I'll get then... The included version, is it a full one or just some kind of demo ?

From what I read it's the full version. 7.1. Let me say that Linux is Very fun to play with. I'm like a kid a Christmas Time. I think it's mainly fun because I have NO idea what I'm doing. Also it is very stable. I've been able to OC a Celery 300 that I never could get to run stable in windows. I've got it at 375 now and going to bump it to 450 in the morning. Figures, just when I ordered a Celery 700 to replace this one.:(

[Medic193]

I just wanted everyone to know that I am writing this from my Linux box. Yahooo!:D I turns out I couldn't get on the network because Linux wasn't seeing my network card. It was an ISA card so I switched to a PCI configured it and viola. Now I just have to figure out how to install a program...say Genome and I'll be in heaven. Good night everyone!!

[dnar]

Originally posted by Medic193




From what I read it's the full version. 7.1. Let me say that Linux is Very fun to play with. I'm like a kid a Christmas Time. I think it's mainly fun because I have NO idea what I'm doing. Also it is very stable. I've been able to OC a Celery 300 that I never could get to run stable in windows. I've got it at 375 now and going to bump it to 450 in the morning. Figures, just when I ordered a Celery 700 to replace this one.:(
One word of caution..... Windows will show up instabailites due to o/c before Linux ever will. But, and I say BUT, this does not garantee that Linux is going to be more reliable. The system may look stable, but Linux could be having a hard time and going SNAFU under the covers.

[Medic193]

Originally posted by dnar

but Linux could be having a hard time and going SNAFU under the covers.

Hmmm dnar that sounds kind of kinky. Have you been watching those movies again?:D :D

[dnar]

Originally posted by Medic193







Hmmm dnar that sounds kind of kinky. Have you been watching those movies again?:D :D http://members.iinet.net.au/~dnar/images/icons/3dbiggrin5.gif

[Medic193]

OK I've got Linux running pretty well. One problem though. How do I install a program. I put the linux version of Genome on it and it asks me what program I want to use to install it. What!! I clicked the genome file and it opened up another genome with a different looking icon. I then clicked that icon and it brought up all the genome files. I clicked the genome file and then it asks me the question stated earlier. Where do I aim it to install the program? Help!!:confused:

[siggy]

Originally posted by MaTriX


Great, that's what I'll get then... The included version, is it a full one or just some kind of demo ?

It's the full version. It is on 3 CD's

[MaTriX]

Originally posted by siggy


It's the full version. It is on 3 CD's

Thanks Siggy, can you give me the exact title and publisher and/or ISDN number, just want to make sure I get the right one...

I wouldn't read it here tonight... It's so hot that just holding a big book would make me sweat... I'll go watercool myself in the swimming pool :)

[siggy]

ISBN=0-7645-4820-4
TITLE=Red Hat Linux 7.1 Bible. Unlimited Edition.
Author= Christopher Negus.

[MaTriX]

Originally posted by siggy
p.s. the back of the book show that Canada price as $74.99
I'm used to that, it's hard to find a good book at a good price... I'm sure it's worth it...

Thanks again :cool:

[dnar]

Originally posted by Medic193
OK I've got Linux running pretty well. One problem though. How do I install a program. I put the linux version of Genome on it and it asks me what program I want to use to install it. What!! I clicked the genome file and it opened up another genome with a different looking icon. I then clicked that icon and it brought up all the genome files. I clicked the genome file and then it asks me the question stated earlier. Where do I aim it to install the program? Help!!:confused:
Med, the genome client is shipped as a "tar-ball" (.tar.gz). Tar-balls are actually the result of two processes:
tar - tape archive, multiple files archived into 1 file.
zip - a compressed file.

You use the "tar" command to both uncompress and extract the archive. Here is what you do:
1. Open a terminal window and change to the directory containing the tar-ball.
2. Extract the tar-ball: tar -zxvf ghclient098_linux.tar.gz
This will create the sub-directory ghclient098_linux with all the extracted files.
3. Move the client directory to wereever you want. ie.
mv ghclient098_linux /home/medic

All done.

[Nofinger]

Today I started to download redhat 7.1 disc2
a friend of me is downloading disc1 so we split the load :D
He'll be installing that on his comp first, i'll still keep going on with Peanut to learn more about linux and mayby then I'll install redhad:D
But after a week of working with linux I'm very excited about it :cool: :cool:
so i'll be going on with it

[dnar]

Thats terrific! But, if your happy with Peanut and it does all you want, why change???

Basically, once you have a distro installed, you are free to upgrade, add, delete packages to your hearts content. I'd stick with what you have!

[Nofinger]

I'll will do that when everything still works fine, but there is a chance that when I "learnt" enough Peanut isn't working fine anymore:( :D
I know myself:D :D
and then I will install redhad for a fresh start and i can do the things I've learnt:D

[phil]

I found a useful tool today that makes configuring your Linux box very easy. Webmin (http://www.webmin.com) is very cool. You can setup everything from Samba to Apache locally or accross the network all from the comfort of your browser. I set up Samba here in a few minutes and it is working great :)

[dnar]

Not bad heh! I thought you were using Webmin to configure f5hosting???

[Medic193]

OK dnar how do I change to a new directory in the terminal window? What I was doing was opening up the A drive and saving it to desktop. Then just clicking it which would give me anew icon then clicking the new icon and it would show me all of my files contained within. Is this basically the same thing you told me, but just done a different way? When I had all the files showing I would click the executable and it would bring up a window asking me what I would like to use to open the file. That's where I am lost. I have no idea which file to choose. I'll try to figure out how to change directories until I hear back from you.

[phil]

Originally posted by dnar
Not bad heh! I thought you were using Webmin to configure f5hosting???


Yeah, it is very good. I am using a similar program to Webmin, but it doesn't have the full range of features to admin the f5 server.

[dnar]

Originally posted by Medic193
OK dnar how do I change to a new directory in the terminal window? What I was doing was opening up the A drive and saving it to desktop. Then just clicking it which would give me anew icon then clicking the new icon and it would show me all of my files contained within. Is this basically the same thing you told me, but just done a different way? When I had all the files showing I would click the executable and it would bring up a window asking me what I would like to use to open the file. That's where I am lost. I have no idea which file to choose. I'll try to figure out how to change directories until I hear back from you.
Ok, were do I start...

First no A: in Linux!!! Ok!

Dragging files to your desktop is not cool! It may be in W land but not here (well it's cool for doc's and thats about all, Ok).

Best open the filemanager and copy the tar-ball into a directory like /home/medic/gah

but you must create the "gah" directory first...

From the terminal window (command line) to change directories, "cd".

So, if your home forectory is /home/medic, this is were the terminal window will open. "pwd" will tell you the current directory.
"mkdir gah" will make the directory "gah"
"cd gah" will change you to the directory "gah" or /home/medic/gah.

The best way to do this, step by step:

mkdir gah
cd gah
mount /mnt/floppy
cp /mnt/floppy/YOURFILES . ("dot" means here, this directory)

You can list the directory with "ls" or "ls -l" for a nice long listing with file size, owner & attributes.

I hope this helps.

[Medic193]

dnar sorry I'm so stupid but thanks for your help. I have the file in the new directory and it is uncompressed. Just for giggles I typed out the exe file and it brought up the G@H program. I put in my name and team number and it began to run. Then it said there was no filter.x file and it couldn't open atomdefs.dat file. Was I supposed to do something else after I uncompressed the file in this directory? Also, does the client run through the terminal window or will I just be able to make an icon that I can click once I boot the computer?

[dnar]

Originally posted by Medic193

dnar sorry I'm so stupid but thanks for your help. I have the file in the new directory and it is uncompressed. Just for giggles I typed out the exe file and it brought up the G@H program. I put in my name and team number and it began to run. Then it said there was no filter.x file and it couldn't open atomdefs.dat file. Was I supposed to do something else after I uncompressed the file in this directory? Also, does the client run through the terminal window or will I just be able to make an icon that I can click once I boot the computer?



From experience, you have to be "root" user to execute the client.... Or, "su"... Do you know how to become "su"??? Type "su" then password.



Problems here m8. If you start the client in a terminal window, the client will be killed off when you close the terminal window or shutdown your X-Windows session. Not good.



Best option for now, open a console with "Ctl-Alt-F1" and become superuser: "su" and run it there... Change to the client directory and run like: ./ghclient.x or ./ghclient.x -nonet

To get back to X-Windows: "Ctl-Alt-F7".
You have 6 text mode consoles: Ctl-Alt-F1 to Ctl-Alt-F6.



I run the client as a background task (./ghclient.x &) and use a bunch of scripts to control and monitor it's progress. I am in the process of tidying them up for general consumption... Will keep ya' posted.

[Medic193]

OK when I type su in the terminal window I get a message of domain not bound. If I goto file manager "super user mode"I have to type a password. My passwords do not work there. Is there some password that I don't know about? Above where you type the password it says konquerer. I really like linux, but it seems there are so many more steps that have to be accomplished to do something than in windows. Is this right or am I just crazy.


Is SU different then root user? I can use the root password in certain spots but it won't work when I go to this su thingee.

[phil]

Originally posted by Medic193
I really like linux, but it seems there are so many more steps that have to be accomplished to do something than in windows. Is this right or am I just crazy.



Nope, that's the way Linux works....for what needs a single click in Windows needs a few in Linux.

Anyway, when you have ctrl-alt-F1....login as root with your root password. Now type su medic to Switch User to your medic account. You won't need a password as you were root to begin with. Now navigate to you GHfolder and run the client. You can now go back to the desktop with ctrl-alt-F7. Even if you log out, the ghclient will still be running on the first terminal.

[Medic193]

OK I have it running finally!!!:) Now can I switch back and forth between this window and the normal gui. So while Genome is running can I hit ctrl-alt-f7 and go back to the kde desktop without stopping the genome client and then switch back to ctrl-alt-f1 at any time? I think I'll have to write everything down so I don't forget how to do this.:confused: Thanks ALOT for all your help. I wonder what my next problem will be?:D


Phil just answered that question. Thanks!

[phil]

Hehe, np medic....This is the fun of Linux - trying to figure out just how to get something working :D

[dnar]

Originally posted by Medic193
OK when I type su in the terminal window I get a message of domain not bound. If I goto file manager "super user mode"I have to type a password. My passwords do not work there. Is there some password that I don't know about? Above where you type the password it says konquerer. I really like linux, but it seems there are so many more steps that have to be accomplished to do something than in windows. Is this right or am I just crazy.





Is SU different then root user? I can use the root password in certain spots but it won't work when I go to this su thingee.
Phil has answered most of this.... superuser is similar to the root user, same password, but with superuser you are still "medic" its just that have have super powers or priviledges.

Konqueror? So using KDE. That explains a lot. Tried Gnome yet?

Yes, Windows does simplify alot for you, but Linux/Unix is much more powerfull. Once you have everything installed however, youll feel right at home with day to day use of the system. Chill, keep learning and above all else ENJOY!

[dnar]

Yes medic, switch between Ctl-Atl-F1 and Ctl-Alt-F7 all you like, you have simultaneous logins m8! Once you get used to this, youll feel lost in Windows !

[Medic193]

Once I get the larger HD I'll install Gnome. It's funny, I went to my main box and tried to open an MP3 file. I clicked it once and was wondering why nothing happened. Guess I'm getting use to that single-click thingee.:D

[dnar]

That "single" click thing is a KDE thingy, and painfull once you DO get used to it. I used to have Windows setup like that eons ago, back in the 3.11 / Norton Desktop days....... (My best Windows experiece IMHO)....

I use Quanta html editor under Gnome, Quanta is a "qt" or KDE application, so it's the only app I run that uses single clicks..... Painfull when you double click file selection lists and it does something with the first click you gave it and then your second click makes a mess of something else.....

KDE is probebly a good home for you now, it's more like Windows than Gnome. But utlimately, IMHO Gnome is supperior.