Dual pentium pro?

[MechCD]

Are they any good? 200mhz 512kb cache? Or should I just get a 600mhz celeron? I think the celeron would be cheaper as i already have a board for and and once stick of semi-faulty ram :) (werks on 2 boards, but not 1)





Whats that quad 6 thing with 6 ppros? Or is it 4 ppros? Pretty cool lookin though. How bout a sun workstaion? 180mhz RISC processor? I think I could get linux in there and run G@H on one (if I get one, prolly not)





Would a 400mhz PII (pentium 2) crunch more than say a 600mhz Celeron 2? Or would it be close? The PII might be cheaper, but Celerons are cheap too.








How about them there Socket 7 to slot 1 cards :):):):):) (I don't think they exist) for an AMD k6-2 350mhz on an intel slot 1 board? that would get some attention :):):):):):)

[viperdog]

OK ....

Put down the coffee and back away slowly...

" Detective! " , Yes?, " You where right we have an empty 3 pound can of Foldgers and all the coffee filters are gone". " Poor guy was using paper towels in his Mr Coffee".

Yes, once the're hooked Juan Valdeze takes over the're life.

[viperdog]

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[MechCD]

Dum dee dum dum har har dee dee hum

Quad 6.. lotsa cpus in one board......... Just looks cool and somethin to brag about, but i don't think its worth the cost if I can find one on ebay

[pelligrini]

I have several dual boards. I like 'em, but if you are looking to get the most bang for your buck an amd setup would probably be better. If it is just to be a genome machine.

The quad6 made by ALR (now owned by Gateway) holds 4 socket 8 chips. The 6x6 has 6 (3 on each cpu card). They both use the same type of memory card which holds 8 pairs of 72pin simms. The memory has to be buffered fast page, EDO doesn't work.
There is also a dimm card, but they are very difficult to find. They both use a specialized wiring harness with many connectors. Both systems need VRM's for each chip too.

I made another post (http://ninjamicros.com/vbulletin/showthread.php3?threadid=575) today about some P-Pros.

[MechCD]

Ok, so yer advice is to stick with a celeron?

If i did get a quad 4 or 6, it would take me a month or two to get all the extra goodies for it (cpu cards, vrm, dimm/simm card, keyboard card)

[pelligrini]

Yea, I'd stick with the celery.

You could probably get all the parts for an ALR setup sooner, but you would be paying premium prices. Those boards don't just fit into just any old case either. My server boards measure something like 16x22 the rackmount boards are a little smaller.
The proper hotswap PS housing is about the size of a mini AT case.

[MechCD]

OK, performance wise, whats better? Quad ppro 200s or celeron 600? How bout a dual ppro 200 vs Celeron 600?



So many questions.



The reason it would take so long is i'm lackin' cash and i would get EVERYTHING off ebay.



Size makes no difference. i would end up hacking a regular PS to fit and the whole system would be resting on a shelf type thing as are my other 2 crunchers (450mhz AMD is HANGING off a shelf, upside down)

[pelligrini]

I think a dual 200 @233 will outperform a c600. The only celerys I have are a pair of 533 PPGA's in Powerleap adaptors on an Intel 440FX dual socket 8.

I can't remember how well they perform offhand. I might have some figures when I get back home.

[MechCD]

OK, how custom is this here custom power adapter? Like ATX with extra for the VMUs? Or the whole thing is custom?

Do most 200s OC to 233? 256k ones?

Can i run dual on a quad mobo until i can get quads?

I can see all my money goin' down the hole.

[wbierman]

If I remember correctly, the PPros were designed to excel in SMTP arrangements. Faster than PIIs especially if you can locate the PPros with 1Meg caches. They used to cost a fortune. Now they are $79.

Here is my source: http://www.computersurplusoutlet.com/

They are in Nevada

How about a price for a Quad board? I would be very interested...all my Win2K Advanced Servers can handle 8 CPUs right out of the box...

[wbierman]

How about an ALR 6x6? These things are selling on eBay very cheap!

[pelligrini]

The quad boards usually run around $50. There is a seller on ebay called, adeal, they are a pretty good scource for ALR parts. They don't really list their stuff very well, so the auctions usually run cheaper. From what I’ve read on vanvleet the quads aren’t the easiest things to get running. The pinouts for the power connections aren’t like the hex boards, and finding documentation is pretty darn difficult too. I fried mine along with a simm card the first time I put some power to it.

Here are some good links:
http://www.vanvleet.net/alrbase.html
http://www.kajenmonique.com/xtremehw/index.html

Power Supply Housing (http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1260006558)
ALR Quad6 Board (http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1259224053)
I have dealt with both of the previous sellers, and I reccomend them. Although the communication with oemliquidators is usually lacking.

The seller, brer, has a lot of ALR stuff too, including a hacked PS. I haven't had good results with his PS's and the 3.3v connectors are just some bullet connectors that have to be forced into the recepticals on the board. I was having some severe problems getting them to run all 6 p-pros. I am convinced it was problems with his hacked supplies, as I was getting the same problems on 2 different boards and 2 of the hacked PS's. Everything worked fine with the proper connectors.

The 1mb cache chips are still expensive compared to other P-Pro related equipment. The PII 333 Overdrives can be easily found for $50 or less. They also have mmx extensions wich the P-Pros don't. There is a seller, pcsurplusonline.com, that is providing free shipping right now.

[pelligrini]

Originally posted by MechCD
OK, how custom is this here custom power adapter? Like ATX with extra for the VMUs? Or the whole thing is custom?

Do most 200s OC to 233? 256k ones?

Can i run dual on a quad mobo until i can get quads?

I can see all my money goin' down the hole.

The PS's are more like an AT supply with the added 3.3V connectors, but to get a stable system there needs to be enough power supplied for the 5v side to be able to provide enough for the 5v VRMs.

Most all of my 200 P-Pros will do 233 with just a simple multiplier change.

The quad and the hex will still run with just one processor too.

I've shoveled a lot down the hole as well ;)

[MechCD]

Hmm, now I want one again.... A hex........ Revoltion 6x6 fer $48 and then i gotta get the extras..................

4 ppros 200 @233..........................

800mhz @ 1398.... Sounds too good. Costs too much too, but i can get one part a month :)

[MechCD]

OK, lets say I get a Revolution 6x6 (hex)



I would need

1 CPU card $20

1 ppro $15? I can get duallies for $25 or so

1 heatsink $10-$20

1 slot terminator $10(for the other slot) -- Do I need one of these?

1 powersupply, $??hacked or not

1 RAM card $?? (simm or dimm)

and the rest of the stuff for a regular puter


The ebay description says I need the above (except the terminator card), plus a keyboard adapter, no VRUs and it uses a regular AT powersupply (if it can handle the 5v amps)


that be $110 plus. But once I have the board, i can add 5 more CPUs. Whats the deal on steppings? Will different steppings werk if they are the same speed and cache size?

[Chris Wolfe]

Originally posted by wbierman
If I remember correctly, the PPros were designed to excel in SMTP arrangements. Faster than PIIs especially if you can locate the PPros with 1Meg caches. They used to cost a fortune. Now they are $79.

Here is my source: http://www.computersurplusoutlet.com/

They are in Nevada

How about a price for a Quad board? I would be very interested...all my Win2K Advanced Servers can handle 8 CPUs right out of the box...
Better price on those chips. Here. (http://www.compgeeks.com/details.asp?invtid=PPRO2001MB)

[pelligrini]

MechCD- You are certainly not going to get off that cheap :(

I found a source for the Tri-CPU cards at $83 ea shipping included. I have seen them go on ebay for twice the amount. They're not offered all to often either.

You have to have a terminator card if you are going to run less then 3 cpus. usually $24-28 including shipping.

The Dimm cards are not common, and they can get quite expensive. A dimm card w/ 4 128mb sticks just sold for $405.
The simm cards sell for $32-34 including shipping, thats about the same for the keyboard card too.

You should be able to get the simms for 50-65 cents a meg. Genome reccomends 32mb for each client. So probably $128 or so for the ram.

A single At supply won't do the job you still need the 3.3v end. And most AT supplies don't provide enough amperage for the 5v side either. Some people have had some success using an ATX and an AT supply. I would reccomend getting the proper housing and 1 hotswap supply. Probably around $80-90 including shipping.

You still need a VRM for each chip usually $15-30 ea plus shipping. There are some cheaper VXI celestica 12v making the rounds on ebay, but people have had mixed results with them.

All that stuff can add up, especially if you get impatient and not pay attention to better judgement that says "wait, you don't really need this"... then your wallet says "go ahead, you need another toy, is been days since the last one.." (it's not accustomed to being full) then the UPS, Fed-ex and USPS guys know you by first name, and you get to know the sounds of their trucks, maybe even consider having them over for dinner since they come by so often. Then all the boxes start piling up and you get those peanuts all over the place....

You sure you want to go down this road?!! ;)

Well, gotta go, the fed-ex guy just came with 6 more PII overdrives

[MechCD]

Originally posted by pelligrini
MechCD- You are certainly not going to get off that cheap :(



snip
You sure you want to go down this road?!! ;)



Well, gotta go, the fed-ex guy just came with 6 more PII overdrives

That last line kinda makes me want to. I'm seriously thinking of getting a dual ATX board. Standard ATX supply, standard DIMMS, doesn't need any VRUs or keyboard adapters :D And then I can upgrade it later and get another dual board. (if i ever upgrade it.)

[MechCD]

It seems I have this tendancy to "be better than everyone" in stuff Ic an be better in.

For instance in starcraft, I HAVE TO collect the most inerals! Even if its allied victory. Or even just try to. I guess thats a possitive attitude, because I usually end up in the middle. It not a "i'm better than you" Its a I want to do better and beating you is my goal type thing. but pell, you aren't the person for me to beat :) A lil too high to be praticall, maybe someday :D

[pelligrini]

Most all of the duallies need a VRM for the second chip. Some need two. I have 8 different types of duals, they all use at least one. All mobos have some sort of voltage regulator. Intel's 440fx is a great dual board, but they still aren't cheap. Integrated SCSI, 10/100 lan, and sound.

[MechCD]

The one I was thinking of getting comes with one.

"This motherboard has duel Pentium Pro 200Mhz processors. It was given to me by a friend who informed me that it had been struck by lightning while connected to the Internet, via modem. I removed the fried modem and connected it to a power supply, video card and hard drive. I was able to get it to boot, detect ram and eventually load windows 98. I only ran it a few times and did not test it thoroughly, so in no way can I guarantee anything about it's future performance. "

Hmmm, sounds like only the modem blew out. I hope so :)

[pelligrini]

Looks like a good buy, if it works properly.

There is one mobo that will run a clock above 66mhz, I think it is a tyan. I have a dual tyan AT board at the office with two 1mb pros as our fileserver.

[MechCD]

Me wonders... P!!! 677 or duallie ppro 200@ 233...............

ppros are cheaper.... this time............. ponder ponder, both bids ending soon. I need input

[pelligrini]

P3 would probably be the smarter buy

[MechCD]

P!!! it is then. That would reduce my junk pile too as i have a board laying around

Amazingly its a retail P!!! 667 SLOT1

[MechCD]

Is $67 a good price?

EDIT

Nevermind
I'd rather go for a cheaper celeron 667 or 700. That P!!! 667 would be a deal though, they go for 77+ on pricewatch, but I don't wanna blow my monthly puter $$$ quota


BrownWallet Linux 5.9 in a pocket
root@my.wallet
/dev/spare$$$ has 70 bills

quota for /mnt/puter $$$ is $10 less than total bills :D

67 would be over cuz shipping is $9