Dual 1.13Ghz Tualatin 1U Rackmounts

[Jodie]

Hey, Dustin, if you're reading the hardware board (and I imagine you of all people MUST be, have a look at:

http://www.supermicro.com/PRODUCT/SUPERServer/SUPER%20SERVER%206011L%20Server.htm

Supermicro nearly all of my rackmount machines... Thought it was interesting after our discussion... They're shipping a dual Tualatin 1.13Ghz in a 1U configuration... I just ordered four from my vendor. (That's 9ish Ghz more to the fire!) They make AWESOME stuff....

[Rick_Deadly]

Drool drool drool slober... enough said. :)

[Dave S]

Hmmmmm nice, well laid out too – noticed there an empty PAL socket hmmmmm wonder wot we can put in there?? & another 9Ghz too hehehe........;)

[Jodie]

Well, we could put another '586 on the single usable PCI slot, too, but that's just silly, isn't it. . .or is it. . . [grin]

I want a solaris port, darn it! ;)

[Jodie]

For what it's worth - I have 3 of the 1U - 1Ghz in my home lab, seven out in production. They've been FLAWLESS throughout. The cooling methodology on them is amazing...

[MechCD]

Whoa! and where does the money for these come from? :D

[dnar]

Jodie...... Your one lady I would have no probs taking home to meet mom and dad...... :cool: :cool: :cool:

[Jodie]

Originally posted by MechCD
Whoa! and where does the money for these come from? :D

The ones in production are paid for (with a nice margin) by customers.

The ones in my lab are paid for by customers. ;) Salary: The thing that buys toys and dog-food and Prickley Pear Margharitas... [grin]

[Jodie]

So, Dnar, why is it I'm terminally divorced? Wait... don't answer that...

Hey, how do I add one of those cool counter-thingies to my messages? They're jpegs but darned if I can figure out the relation between the file name and the user...

My goal will be to add 3Ghz/week until I have a solid chance of taking the number-one slot within six months... :D :D :D

[dnar]

Originally posted by Jodie

So, Dnar, why is it I'm terminally divorced? Wait... don't answer that...





Ok, I will leave that one alone.... ;)





Hey, how do I add one of those cool counter-thingies to my messages? They're jpegs but darned if I can figure out the relation between the file name and the user...



My goal will be to add 3Ghz/week until I have a solid chance of taking the number-one slot within six months... :D :D :D



Stats, no problemo, just add the following code to your sig:



[ IMG ]http://pages.infinit.net/jclaudev/genome/9510.jpg[ /IMG ]



You have to remove the space characters within the [ ] braces.....



Any probs, give my a shout in the chat room.....:D

[Jodie]

Ok, now I MUST know... How did you derive the filename?

Thank you!!!

http://pages.infinit.net/jclaudev/genome/9510.jpg

(Another 800Mhz Linux box online....NOW! 933 to follow in 5 more mins... My sister (who's rooming with me) is looking at me funny... Roaming around in the garage building 'slow' machines for no apparent reason. BWAHAHHA!:rolleyes: ;) )

[dnar]

Originally posted by Jodie
Ok, now I MUST know... How did you derive the filename?



Thank you!!!



http://pages.infinit.net/jclaudev/genome/9510.jpg



(Another 800Mhz Linux box online....NOW! 933 to follow in 5 more mins... My sister (who's rooming with me) is looking at me funny... Roaming around in the garage building 'slow' machines for no apparent reason. BWAHAHHA!:rolleyes: ;) )

Pssst. (Its a secret).

Ok, its not a secret! Look Here! (http://www.thegenomecollective.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=488&pagenumber=1)

[Jodie]

Ok, I'm a dorkette...

I KNOW I saw that thread... Sigh...:o

Thanks!!!

[Dave S]

Originally posted by Jodie
Well, we could put another '586 on the single usable PCI slot, too, but that's just silly, isn't it. . .or is it. . . [grin]

I want a solaris port, darn it! ;)
a sound plan if u ask me LOL;)
No solaris port doh!!!

[Jodie]

Why 'no solaris port'?!?! The damage I could cause with a solaris port! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! (I've been scooping-up ultrasparcs from dotcommies going out of business, for less than a one cent on the dollar. I have two 20 proccessor ultras, two sixteen processor, and SCADS of fours and twos... We could be talking somewhere in the 4-500Ghz. And they're faster at chunking numbers than piii/amd... I want I want I want!:D :D :D

[Dustin]

Originally posted by Jodie
Hey, Dustin, if you're reading the hardware board (and I imagine you of all people MUST be, have a look at:

Sorry Jodie, didn't see this thread untill now! *drool*:D

Originally posted by Jodie
My goal will be to add 3Ghz/week until I have a solid chance of taking the number-one slot within six months... :D :D :D

Jeez! You're going to drive me broke keeping up with you! Actually, I should have 4 700Mhz Plll's comming online next week!:p

[MechCD]

Originally posted by Jodie
Why 'no solaris port'?!?! The damage I could cause with a solaris port! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! (I've been scooping-up ultrasparcs from dotcommies going out of business, for less than a one cent on the dollar. I have two 20 proccessor ultras, two sixteen processor, and SCADS of fours and twos... We could be talking somewhere in the 4-500Ghz. And they're faster at chunking numbers than piii/amd... I want I want I want!:D :D :D

You can run G@H with linux on a Sparc. No windows though.

[Jodie]

Originally posted by Dustin


Sorry Jodie, didn't see this thread untill now! *drool*:D



Jeez! You're going to drive me broke keeping up with you! Actually, I should have 4 700Mhz Plll's comming online next week!:p

Darn it! Now I'm going to have to add four more duals! :p :p :p

I need a raise. I need more power into the lab. I need a frontal-lobatomy is what I need. :rolleyes:

[Jodie]

Originally posted by MechCD


You can run G@H with linux on a Sparc. No windows though.

Nope, sure can't. Unless someone is hiding a sparc binary out there... The Linux binary is an x86 binary, not a Linux sparc binary, and never the twain shall meet. The instruction set is totally and completely different... (Windows doesn't run on the sparc architecture either.)

While we're about it, I'd also like a Linux Alpha binary too. I've got about 14Ghz worth of Alpha boxes laying around running Seti...

[dnar]

Originally posted by Jodie







Darn it! Now I'm going to have to add four more duals! :p :p :p





I need a raise. I need more power into the lab. I need a frontal-lobatomy is what I need. :rolleyes:

NURSE! Another one for the wards....:D

[MechCD]

Can't run linux on a sparc? I'm pretty sure you can

Not sure about G@H though.

[Rick_Deadly]

Originally posted by Jodie


Nope, sure can't. Unless someone is hiding a sparc binary out there... The Linux binary is an x86 binary, not a Linux sparc binary, and never the twain shall meet. The instruction set is totally and completely different... (Windows doesn't run on the sparc architecture either.)

While we're about it, I'd also like a Linux Alpha binary too. I've got about 14Ghz worth of Alpha boxes laying around running Seti...

Hi Jodie:

There are Sparc versions of Linux as well. When I was the Internet admin at work we had 2 Sun Netvistas converted to Linux. RedHat 5.1 distro if I remember correctly. 1 was a login/ras/DNS server and the other was our mail server.

[Jodie]

Absolutely there are sparc versions of Linux. And Alpha versions of linux.

The point was that you weren't going to get away with trying to run G@H compiled for Linux on an x86 on a sparc or alpha or any other platform...

[Jodie]

Sorry about the confusion in my post...

When I answered Mech I meant that you couldn't take the G@H Linux Binary and run it on a Sparc that was running Sparc Linux because the instruction set was different...

[Dustin]

Originally posted by Jodie


Darn it! Now I'm going to have to add four more duals! :p :p :p

I need a raise. I need more power into the lab. I need a frontal-lobatomy is what I need. :rolleyes:

Nah, you don't need to add 4 duals. Those 700's will be part time. Question? are you an Intel only person?

Just wondering because the Genome performance scale (desktops) goes like this... Lowest to highest. Pll, Celeron, Plll, Duron, Athlon Tbird, Athlon Palomino, P4. (this is if you had them all at the same Mhz).

At 1Ghz, an Athlon will out crunch that 1.13Plll (single CPU).

[MechCD]

Originally posted by Jodie

Why 'no solaris port'?!?! The damage I could cause with a solaris port! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! (I've been scooping-up ultrasparcs from dotcommies going out of business, for less than a one cent on the dollar. I have two 20 proccessor ultras, two sixteen processor, and SCADS of fours and twos... We could be talking somewhere in the 4-500Ghz. And they're faster at chunking numbers than piii/amd... I want I want I want!:D :D :D



I want a sparc..... Just to have one... kinda me and hex ppros.......... and quad ppros that i don't own, and prolly never will :(

[Yo_Mama]

Have you tried emailing Stephan personally? I can't believe they wouldn't do a port to gain 500 Ghz. Seems it would be well worth their time. :)

Originally posted by Jodie
Why 'no solaris port'?!?! The damage I could cause with a solaris port! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! (I've been scooping-up ultrasparcs from dotcommies going out of business, for less than a one cent on the dollar. I have two 20 proccessor ultras, two sixteen processor, and SCADS of fours and twos... We could be talking somewhere in the 4-500Ghz. And they're faster at chunking numbers than piii/amd... I want I want I want!:D :D :D

[Jodie]

Originally posted by Dustin


Nah, you don't need to add 4 duals. Those 700's will be part time. Question? are you an Intel only person?

Just wondering because the Genome performance scale goes like this... Lowest to highest. Pll, Celeron, Plll, Duron, Athlon Tbird, Athlon Palomino, P4. (this is if you had them all at the same Mhz).

At 1Ghz, an Athlon will out crunch that 1.13Plll (single CPU).

Yup. I know, although I might be inclined to disagree with a P4 being faster than a Palomino, generally. The P4 just isn't all that quick, clock-for-clock.

Finding rack-mount multi-processor Athlons is a pain in the butt...
With twentysomething machines, I'd prefer the rackmount option. Seven of my current machines aren't rackmount, the rest are. Which is nice, because I can daisy-chain 8pt Belkin's in the rack to look after them. I have two four port belkin's on the other machines.

I do have some Athlons, a 900 and a 700. And probably another 900 and I think a 500 chip and board out in the garage. The first 900 failed to post when I last tried to boot it, so I need to clear bios on it and try again. I've been going for the low-hanging-fruit, which are my Intel machines... I generally buy my machines by placing piggy-back orders on company orders. Which are ALWAYS Intels. (Stability and perception of stability) That way, I get wholesale pricing and just reimburse the company.:cool:

[MechCD]

Ummm, jodie.... Could ya snag me a cheap SAlot 1 cpu? like a 500mhz or up? Less than $70 with heatsink?



500 Mhz Katmai?

667 P!!! Coppermine?

633mhz Celeron?



It would only be one cpu

I could pay for shipping (to me, dunno about the company, prolly that too if its not to much)

[Jodie]

Originally posted by Yo_Mama
Have you tried emailing Stephan personally? I can't believe they wouldn't do a port to gain 500 Ghz. Seems it would be well worth their time. :)



I haven't. I didn't want to be a distraction to stability issues. When I was off on my little two day trip, fully every single windows G@H process went down to bad WUs. If I'm going to be running hundreds of processors, it's going to HAVE to be stable and something I just don't think about. (The Linux G@H processes were fine because I ran a chron job to check for the process, and if it had crashed, to rerun with a ghclient.x -clear, so none went down for more than an hour. If you look at my graph, you'll see the full day I was gone my output dropped off a few percent, which tells you the linux-to-windows ratio I have here. ;) I'm formatting and reinstalling two more linux boxes right now - by the time they're done, I should have already broken into 100th place on Dry's stats... ) I'll worry about nagging for the Alpha and Sun ports (or even offer to do them) when I've got all the Intel/AMD hardware I can muster running reliably. I think I have the junk to build 27 600mhz and better machines, probably half a dozen more 400s. I've got 8 more processors at 1.13 coming online in two weeks-ish, so it will take some time. Fortunately, v.99 seems to be a LOT more stable, too... I have all but one machine moved over to .99. (The last one is a WindowsNT 4.0 box, single 733, and the process priority is 'Realtime'.. I can't get a keystroke in edgewise to kill the process, so I figure I'll let it run until it finally dies...)

More than you wanted to know, right? :D

[MechCD]

Originally posted by Jodie




I haven't. I didn't want to be a distraction to stability issues. When I was off on my little two day trip, fully every single windows G@H process went down to bad WUs. If I'm going to be running hundreds of processors, it's going to HAVE to be stable and something I just don't think about. (The Linux G@H processes were fine because I ran a chron job to check for the process, and if it had crashed, to rerun with a ghclient.x -clear, so none went down for more than an hour. If you look at my graph, you'll see the full day I was gone my output dropped off a few percent, which tells you the linux-to-windows ratio I have here. ;) I'm formatting and reinstalling two more linux boxes right now - by the time they're done, I should have already broken into 100th place on Dry's stats... ) I'll worry about nagging for the Alpha and Sun ports (or even offer to do them) when I've got all the Intel/AMD hardware I can muster running reliably. I think I have the junk to build 27 600mhz and better machines, probably half a dozen more 400s. I've got 8 more processors at 1.13 coming online in two weeks-ish, so it will take some time. Fortunately, v.99 seems to be a LOT more stable, too... I have all but one machine moved over to .99. (The last one is a WindowsNT 4.0 box, single 733, and the process priority is 'Realtime'.. I can't get a keystroke in edgewise to kill the process, so I figure I'll let it run until it finally dies...)



More than you wanted to know, right? :D

Cheezus Prist! You KNOW you want to get me a cpu so I cna get a grand total of 5 machines running. that meager 4 isn't good enough, its gotta be 5.

M seems to be selfish at the moment

Do you have any cpus that don't have boards? Or boards without cpus?

Me nneds another cpu..... and it keeps itchin' on me..... i have a slot 1 board, a vid card, nic, and harrdrive sittin on my shelf taunting me. "We need a cpu. We need a cpu. We can boost your G@H output. We need a cpu"

[Jodie]

Originally posted by MechCD
Ummm, jodie.... Could ya snag me a cheap SAlot 1 cpu? like a 500mhz or up? Less than $70 with heatsink?



500 Mhz Katmai?

667 P!!! Coppermine?

633mhz Celeron?



It would only be one cpu

I could pay for shipping (to me, dunno about the company, prolly that too if its not to much)

I have some CPU's without a board to put them on. Let me look in the junk-pile and see what I have. Last thing I'm going to do is buy a board at this point just to put a lower-end processor on it... I know I have a Slot1-600 Celery... I have a lot of OEM heatsinks and fans - I put real coolers on my stuff, atleast ORBs or PowerCoolers. If I don't have anything that tickles your fancy, I'll get you OEM pricing info. The company can cover shipping, we have deals with most of the major carriers which makes it negligible. Let me get back to you on Monday. (Just made a note to remind me to leave a note for my admin to remind me :D )

[Jodie]

I'll definitely snag something for you out of the pile. (our posts crossed... ;) )

[Jodie]

I have more CPUs than boards, because I'm constantly upgrading, so there has to be something there.

[Dustin]

Originally posted by Jodie


when I've got all the Intel/AMD hardware I can muster running reliably. I think I have the junk to build 27 600mhz and better machines, probably half a dozen more 400s. I've got 8 more processors at 1.13 coming online in two weeks-ish, so it will take some time. Fortunately, v.99 seems to be a LOT more stable, too... I have all but one machine moved over to .99. (The last one is a WindowsNT 4.0 box, single 733, and the process priority is 'Realtime'.. I can't get a keystroke in edgewise to kill the process, so I figure I'll let it run until it finally dies...)

More than you wanted to know, right? :D

Holy crap! That must be hardware heavin there!:D That's it, I'm not going to try to compete with you!:rolleyes:

Oh also, the only reason the P4 is faster at genoming, is because of the mad bandwith it has.

[Jodie]

I can understand that. (re: bandwidth) We have a couple at the office. Slower than dogsnot for running office applications.

I go hang-out at bankruptcy sales. Bid on computers a pallet-load at a time. Generally tear them apart and do the vampire thing to get a few nice machines, then resell them at a price that pays for the whole pallet and atleast 75% margin besides. It leaves me with lots of junk in the garage and no time to make a run to the dump. ;)

When I went through my initial seti-at-home phase, I did this too: marshal'd the troops. Of course that was back when a 200mhz PPro was worth talking about...

[Jodie]

Actually, I just priced our vendor for 1.2 Ghz T-birds. Never realized they were so.... CHEAP

Might have to start looking at them as a viable alternative for silly number-crunching projects...

[dnar]

Originally posted by Jodie



Actually, I just priced our vendor for 1.2 Ghz T-birds. Never realized they were so.... CHEAP









Might have to start looking at them as a viable alternative for silly number-crunching projects...



You must have real trouble with guys Jodie, how do you know if they are interested in you... or are they just after your hardware???? :eek: :eek: :eek:

[Jodie]

Actually, the real problem with guys is that they find me threatening. Chiefly because I have a brain. Second to that is because of what I do for a living, and subsequently, what I make doing it... But hey, that's an overshare, I'd imagine...

Now, if they'd just be interested in my software . . . Oops! There's an overshare!

[dnar]

Originally posted by Jodie



Actually, the real problem with guys is that they find me threatening. Chiefly because I have a brain. Second to that is because of what I do for a living, and subsequently, what I make doing it... But hey, that's an overshare, I'd imagine...









Now, if they'd just be interested in my software . . . Oops! There's an overshare!



Well... I would certainly be interested in seeing your driver library.... :D :D :D

[Jodie]

ROFL!:D

[dnar]

Are we having fun yet?????? http://members.iinet.net.au/~dnar/images/icons/fan.gif

[Jodie]

We would be if you'd point that fan over this way a tad bit... My 'farm has spread to my bedroom and it's a tad bit warm in here :cool:

[dnar]

Originally posted by Jodie

We would be if you'd point that fan over this way a tad bit... My 'farm has spread to my bedroom and it's a tad bit warm in here :cool:

Now things heatin up in your bedroom...... Definately Overshare!!!! ROFLMAO!!!!



Hows this? http://members.iinet.net.au/~dnar/images/icons/cool.gif

[Jodie]

don't I wish...

[Dave S]

Originally posted by Jodie
Why 'no solaris port'?!?! The damage I could cause with a solaris port! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! (I've been scooping-up ultrasparcs from dotcommies going out of business, for less than a one cent on the dollar. I have two 20 proccessor ultras, two sixteen processor, and SCADS of fours and twos... We could be talking somewhere in the 4-500Ghz. And they're faster at chunking numbers than piii/amd... I want I want I want!:D :D :D
:cool:sh#t that has got to be sorted..........hehehe loadsa fun:D:D

[Dustin]

Originally posted by Jodie
Actually, the real problem with guys is that they find me threatening. Chiefly because I have a brain. Second to that is because of what I do for a living, and subsequently, what I make doing it... But hey, that's an overshare, I'd imagine...

Now, if they'd just be interested in my software . . . Oops! There's an overshare!

Ha! I do find you thrreatining! Mainly because of your (computer) hardware! As for having a brain, I think that's kickass.:D

BTW, feel free to taunt me, and kick my butt here (http://www.thegenomecollective.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=517). I'm a good sport, taunt away.:cool:

[Rick_Deadly]

Originally posted by Jodie
Sorry about the confusion in my post...

When I answered Mech I meant that you couldn't take the G@H Linux Binary and run it on a Sparc that was running Sparc Linux because the instruction set was different...

Correct of course, we had to have the news server recompiled for the Sparc. The developers did it free of charge :) Cool or what :D

[Ciccio]

I wouldn't agree that SUN are faster at crunching numbers. At SETI/F@H/G@H my dual PIII 1000's are at least 3 x faster than my dual SUN ultra 80's (450Mhz) and considering you can get 10 linux boxes for the price of a single SUN box.

Well................. :)

[MechCD]

Originally posted by Ciccio
I wouldn't agree that SUN are faster at crunching numbers. At SETI/F@H/G@H my dual PIII 1000's are at least 3 x faster than my dual SUN ultra 80's (450Mhz) and considering you can get 10 linux boxes for the price of a single SUN box.



Well................. :)

Wait a sec, no wonder a DUAL P!!! 1ghz beats a dual 450mhz sun.....

1ghz x 2 = 2000mhz
450 x 2 = 900mhz.

Ummm, now if you had a quad sun 450 (is there such a thing) or more than 1 dual 450, then it might be an evern match or comaprison.

[Ciccio]

more Mhz does not mean more speed.

Look at the P4's vs Athlon for that

HP 550Mhz = PIII 1000 = Athlon 900ish = 2 x sun 450's

Sun only sells as it is very stable. linux is whipping the pants off everyone as it's 1) Stable and 2) able to use the (now) greater processing power of the x86 CPU's

EDIT: If you also take into account that the SUN processors have 2Mb of L2 cache. you can see what a poor performer they are.

[MechCD]

But there is no way 900mhz is ever going to beat 2000!!!!!

We need to do tests with equal speeds. The 2mb cache isn't gonna make it faster, neither is 256k going to make it slower (mhz wise).

OK, lets say I have a a dual P!!! 500 against a 1ghz tbird. that would be ok to say "The athlon is faster after I tested, so that means the dual P!!! 500 is a little slower"

But if I tested it with just one 500mhz cpu against a 1ghz tbird, there is no friggin chance its gonna even compete

[Ciccio]

Equal speeds mean nothing, and cache can in fact help a lot. It saves time going to main memory which is expensive in terms of speed, especially if you get misses.

The old PIII's used to crunch faster than the Cumines because they had 512k cache which could contains all of seti, rather than the (then) new cumine as it only had 256k cache and had to kee recoursing to system memory. It's why the xeons used to be great.

Folding and Genome don't need memeory quite so much so for those applications the above argument is flawed. So lets take G/H@H as it's not memory dependant so we're just looking at FPU power. a athlon of the same speed is 14% quicker than the PIII equivalent of the same speed. Why? Because the architecture is different. The Athlon FPU is more powerful (read does more in hardware) this means that clock for clock in this application the athlon is more powerful, so you have to throw Mhz out the window as it is no longer a indicator of true performance.

[Ciccio]

Take the chart below as an example in RC5

http://www.kawaii.demon.co.uk/dist/rc5-speed.gif

Clock for clock the Athlon is faster so Mhz is not a performance indicator, although Intel would like you to believe so, as it means they shift more P4's. They run faster ergo more performance. however QED Intel are full of sh!te.

[phil]

Sorry Mech, Ciccio is speaking the truth..

[MechCD]

I realize all that, just like an AMD tbird 1.3 outperforms a P4 1.5ghz


BUT......... What if we tested a 1ghz vs a 2ghz P4? i bet teh P4 would come out first.

MHz isn't evrything.

But you can't try to test different cpus that are 500+mhz different and expect the slower one to win (exception is the AMD vs P4)

I'm gonna get this out of me.......... I KNOW THAT MHZ ISNT AT TRUE SPEED INICATOR!

But putting a dual 450mhz sun against a dual 1ghz P!!! is just not right, the sun has no chance from the begining

now if it were a 600 or 700 dual sun, then it MIGHT have a chance

The cahe does make a difference, but not when its 900mhz vs 2000ghz

[Jodie]

I agree. I have two 20 processor ultras. Go find me two 16 processor AMD's and I'll admit that in the same space, it's faster. Except that there's NO OS for the Intel/AMD class that scales to 20 processors. effectively

[MechCD]

Ask dnar bout bewolf clusters.... they migh link em together, but if they are all seperate machines in the same room/building, then a cluster won't do anything.

It werks good when say i have a puter here and one over next door and I wanna link em.

We need a www.askdnar.com!

[Jodie]

Only for applications that are heavily threaded. If you have a single thread that's processor intensive, you get zero help. And if you're running multiple processors, you're better off with multiple machines. Linux scales nicely to 8 proc, Windows much less nicely to 4. A cluster is good for some times of applications. Solaris scales beautifully to 24 procs, 32 with some effort. COSIX, on the other hand, scales quite nicely to 1024 procs...

[Dustin]

Originally posted by Ciccio
Clock for clock the Athlon is faster so Mhz is not a performance indicator, although Intel would like you to believe so, as it means they shift more P4's. They run faster ergo more performance. however QED Intel are full of sh!te.

Mhz is a performance indicator, when the differences are extreme. I agree with you that Intel are full of it.

Take this into account...The P4 was built for raw Mhz, w/o much consideration on performance.

Why? because the P4 will probably scale to 10Ghz, while the athlon probably won't hit 3Ghz. Tell me what will be faster? a 10Ghz P4, or a 3Ghz Athlon?

I don't like the P4 today, but ask me again in a year or two. Intel is looking at the long haul, and in my eyes have already won.

[phil]

Originally posted by Dustin


I don't like the P4 today, but ask me again in a year or two. Intel is looking at the long haul, and in my eyes have already won.



I totally agree Dustin and I am waiting for the new socket format on the P4 before I commit Intel to the scrap heap. With the die shrink, more L2 cache should be possible also.

[Jodie]

If you look at the history of the two companies, you can see that Intel was never in any real danger... The instant they yank the license agreement with AMD, AMD will sue for monopolistic practices, Intel will lean in with the dollars, and AMD will go away... If AMD doesn't clean up they stability/compatability issues with them and their mobo manufacturers, they'll go away on their own...

[Dustin]

Originally posted by Jodie
If AMD doesn't clean up they stability/compatability issues with them and their mobo manufacturers, they'll go away on their own...

Funny you should mention that. I only use ASUS. They are far more stable than anyone else, and are among the fastest boards available.

In an OC situation, my A7V133's are more stable than the P2B, P3BF, CUBX, CUSL2, and the K7V.

The stability problem is VIA's fault. I think VIA (not AMD) have cleaned up, considering they are more stable than Intel boards now (don't know about the P4T).

There were early compatability issues with video cards and hard drives. But again, that was VIA's fault. Not AMD's fault.

[Dustin]

Originally posted by phil




I totally agree Dustin and I am waiting for the new socket format on the P4 before I commit Intel to the scrap heap. With the die shrink, more L2 cache should be possible also.

Thought I'd elaborate on this...

Intel has crippled the P4 to sell PC800 RDRAM. It's very bandwith needy because of the lack of L1 & L2 cache.

Intel doesn't care about x86 FPU performance. They want everything SSE2, and the P4 is mad fast with SSE2. As far as integer performance, what does it matter when you have a 10Ghz CPU?

The P4 will get PC1066 RDRAM soon too. You can't tell me that they aren't planning on a MAD ramp when a dual 1066 RDRAM memory bus is planed.

Once everything is switched over to SSE2, and the P4 gets a proper cache, with a dual 1066 memory bus, and the QDR 133Mhz FSB, I think P4 will shine very bright.

Oh, and I'm not an Intel, or an AMD fan. I'm a
performance fan. Whoever has the fastest performing CPU when I do my upgrades gets my business.:cool:

[Jodie]

Originally posted by Dustin


Intel has crippled the P4 to sell PC800 RDRAM. It's very bandwith needy because of the lack of L1 & L2 cache.


Actually, the new chipset supporting DDR on the P4 is out, from what my supplier tells me...

[Dustin]

Originally posted by Jodie


Actually, the new chipset supporting DDR on the P4 is out, from what my supplier tells me...

Intel was pressured into that, doesn't mean they want it. I would be willing to bet they will cripple the chipset, to make RDRAM look better.:mad:

[Jodie]

the hue-and-cry over that wouldn't be worth the marketing problems...

[Jodie]

Ok, that's post 99, so I'm just going to throw-away the magical 100 and get on with life...;) :rolleyes:

[Dave S]

Originally posted by Jodie
Ok, that's post 99, so I'm just going to throw-away the magical 100 and get on with life...;) :rolleyes:
LOL :rolleyes: 100 :cool:

[Dustin]

Originally posted by Jodie
the hue-and-cry over that wouldn't be worth the marketing problems...

Perhaps, but they did push RDRAM on the PIII when it performed worse with the GTL+ bus, just to ramp up RDRAM for the P4.

Congrats on the 100 posts!:D

[Jodie]

Originally posted by Dustin


Perhaps, but they did push RDRAM on the PIII when it performed worse with the GTL+ bus, just to ramp up RDRAM for the P4.

Congrats on the 100 posts!:D

Agreed. But that's marketing 101, and as a business person myself, I find no fault in that. If consumers shop via advertising alone, then that's what happens. Smart consumers won't. 99+++% of consumers do. And that's why marketing departments exist...

And thanks!:D

[Dustin]

Speaking of marketing, doesn't Intel get a percent of royalties on RDRAM sales? Also, they have stock in rambus.

They get nothing on SDRAM and DDR. There's a marketing reason.;)

[Jodie]

As well as the chipset headstart, and that's a BIGGIE.